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I’d personally rather see our school actually fucking take care of survivors though. Prevention is very important but also dealing with what’s already happened is important too. This is BS coming from SMCM.
I agree with you. I absolutely think that there are a lot of issues with the way that SMCM deals with sexual assault and, in a way, that training made me really angry because it talked about policy in a way that sounded like a promise for action when I know that’s not the case. We need to talk about that. But I don’t think that’s where these complaints are coming from for the most part. These complaints are coming from entitled whiny babies who don’t want to to be taught about consent because then they have absolutely no excuse when they fail to obtain it. They don’t want to look at the reality of their own actions. People are not complaining about this program because they want more support for survivors, they’re complaining about it because they don’t care at all.
I think there’s a LARGE part of our campus that NEEDS a training like this. This specific program is really problematic tbh and we should talk about that too, but again that’s not what the people I”m referring to are complaining about. The people I’m talking about are the ones that absolutely need this training. The ones that don’t understand how many survivors there are on this campus and what that means. Opening up a dialogue about sexual assault and consent on this campus is a hugely important thing for us to do. We have an ongoing problem and part of that problem is that there are people here who are terrible that won’t be influenced by this program at all, but part of the problem is that a lot of people have misconceptions about sexual assault and they need to be taught. A lot of people have a fundamental misunderstanding of consent. And if this program can reach even some of those people, then that’s important.
I care about the survivors already on this campus deeply. Their quality of life here needs to be addressed. The way we care for them as a community needs to be addressed. But I also like to think that a program like this will help prevent future cases. I’m also hopeful that this isn’t an empty step, but one of many that will also lead to a better handling of these cases in the future and present. SMCM needs something because we have a serious issue with sexual misconduct on this campus and I don’t think this is a be all, end all solution, but I think it’s at least a step forward. And I’m really hopeful that it will be a positive one.
I’m not saying you’re wrong at all btw I hope you got that I 100% agree with you I just also wanted to lay out why I thought it was still important to have some kind of training and who I’m really talking about with this post bc if people want to complain about this or about specific content within the training I’m all ears that’s a really important conversation, but I’ve been seeing people who are pissed that they have to take a sexual misconduct training specifically because they’re lazy and entitled and selfish and they’re also the people who need this training more than literally anyone else. and that pisses me the fuck off.
Hmm. I think what you are saying is completely valid. I think the fact they have the training is a good thing and yes, people definitely need to take a sexual misconduct training. However, I’m just not sure the current format of making it a sort of online class is really the right way to go. Maybe it should be an in-person training, with sessions, or at least there could be a choice between a training in-person and an online class, so people could choose that way. I also care about survivors on campus as well and there needs to be training that not only educates, but supports the current survivors on campus. I’m not sure exactly how that would be constructed, but I think such a training is possible.
Oh no I agree that this is perhaps not the best way to go about it, but it’s also the first time we’ve tried something like this so I don’t expect perfection. It’s at least a step in the right direction and it’s an important one. I think they would actually have an even harder time getting people to an in person training tho tbh. People can at least pause and save progress with this one and they’re still complaining about the time it takes to complete, can you imaging if they had to attend a class? Not saying it’s not a good idea I actually think it is, but I also think the resistance would be much worse. Hopefully we can develop our strategy for this training over time and come up with something that isn’t quite so childish (or quite so problematic) but can still educate everybody in the same way. I’m not quite sure what that would look like either, but I definitely think it’s worth putting the effort into thinking about.
(to be clear I don’t think that resistance is a reason NOT to do it I was just pointing out that there would probably be even more complaining if it was like a class we all had to take)
I mean it could potentially be part of a first year seminar since we’re already required to take that, and it might be better that way. I haven’t finished the training yet, but I’ve heard from people who have that you hear a rapist tell his side of the story? And there’s a trigger warning, but as far as I’m aware, no way to skip it. And… frankly, I do not CARE about the rapist’s side of the story. At all. At least if this were an in-person class, people would have the option to walk out of the room during that part.. Just ideas that might actually help survivors on this campus…
I mean it already is kind of? They have Sex Signals which is all about consent and is roughly the same amount of time but people don’t take it seriously and it’s clearly not enough since people can skip it if they’re apathetic and these same attitudes persist in older students.
You can’t skip it, but you CAN mute it and hang out in another window until it’s done playing (that was not in defense of it’s inclusion just a handy dandy tip). I don’t care about it either. I think it’s there to kind of reinforce the fact that the lack of consent culture is a problem bc even people who are predators don’t think of themselves that way. There are DEFINITELY better ways to make that point, though.
And yeah again I definitely agree it’s problematic. Especially difficult for survivors. There’s a lot that needs to be fixed and I had a ton of issues when I was going through it.
I’m mostly expressing my frustration with the fact that a lot of students seem to think that they are above participating in a training of this type and it’s a waste of their time to have to think about this for a couple hours. That’s a fucked up attitude (I know you know that) and, in a way, I kind of hate defending this program, but I also think there are a LOT of people who need it and this is the only way they’re going to get it. Which sucks. And I want it to not be static, I want this program to evolve into something that takes survivors into account and goes beyond a simple training. We can definitely do better. I don’t want anyone to think I’m defending the issues of the program itself.
Also just as a tip to you and anyone else who hasn’t taken it, you can’t skip stuff, but you can turn your sound off and it won’t stop you so you can always mute it. You can go to another window too, but if you do it for too long they pause everything.
Ok, thanks for the tip!
Something like this is definitely needed, and I guess I missed the point you were making (midterms ugh) but it really really needs to be better. The heroin facts were outright wrong (it does not take days to weeks to detox/come down/whatever, its a fast acting drug that leaves the system within hours).
And Sex Signals was a good start, but as I remember it, it was almost… making itself a joke? I don’t know, that might be the internalized misogyny that was still very present first year? And yeah, people shouldn’t be complaining about it, and that’s hella shitty of them.